Nah you're good
I'm well aware that my practices may involve nothing more than me tapping into a deeper part of myself, and that it's really nothing "special"
I just like to keep an open mind to what i'm experiencing
But it can be chalked up to superstition; there are psychological explanations for why my practices are "fake"
Yeah i don't see a big reason to have everything in my life based on logic
So much of my life has been so constrained that i just feel happy being less logical sometimes
It's odd tbh but eh
Well, its complicated, i woudnt advise making tulpas to someone with did. but in that situation the boundaries are unclear and self-defined probably in a dissordered way.
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So if a person had DID would the tulpa have Alters too?
It's unclear tbh
The main characteristic of DID is the dissociation, so i wouldn't doubt that a tulpa would dissociate
They might end up with alters too, it would depend on the person
There can be different "headspaces" and areas that different alters can interact with so it's sorta like having a system inside a system but it's mostly like... different parts of the same system tmk
there are different levels of separation between alters, sometimes you might end up with a situation where a group of alters are more integrated with others than with the rest, i think that's what people say is a subsystem
there are different levels of separation between alters, sometimes you might end up with a situation where a group of alters are more integrated with others than with the rest, i think that's what people say is a subsystem
once i drew a map of everyone in the system with connections with who can communicate and on what level and i got a web that looked like there were 3 groups that can internally communicate very well with some communication between each other
I was thinking something similar but couldnt put words to it that well.
Leiko
once i drew a map of everyone in the system with connections with who can communicate and on what level and i got a web that looked like there were 3 groups that can internally communicate very well with some communication between each other
for example some people would say i am a subsystem because i have a few mental states because i am an age slider, some people would say it's just me being an age slider, or some people would say it's different alters thinking they are one
so yes i think it is a lot about narration
6:11 PM
but it's interesting when you start integrating and you see what was stopping integration
6:12 PM
well i am polyfragmented, so a lot
Leiko
for example some people would say i am a subsystem because i have a few mental states because i am an age slider, some people would say it's just me being an age slider, or some people would say it's different alters thinking they are one
so yes i think it is a lot about narration
Well, katie for example has katie 1.0 and katie 2.0 which is the original more childish katie and the way they evolved to be less chaotic later... And i can totally make any of them talk or even have them as separate from each other (and talk to each other for example)(edited)
I feel like everyone's experience with dissociative disorders is different
So it's hard to map it out in any one way
I've met many people with DID or OSDD and they're all vastly different in the way their system works
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Well, katie for example has katie 1.0 and katie 2.0 which is the original more childish katie and the way they evolved to be less chaotic later... And i can totally make any of them talk or even have them as separate from each other (and talk to each other for example) (edited)
yes well i think the most important things about did is working towards healing not necessarily mapping it
how things work in did are especially susceptible to suggestion
which is why in online communities you see servers with fictives, when there are none in others. some servers have animals, some none, same with anime characters or littles
6:14 PM
but if you go outside of the communities it's not like that
Leiko
yes well i think the most important things about did is working towards healing not necessarily mapping it
how things work in did are especially susceptible to suggestion
which is why in online communities you see servers with fictives, when there are none in others. some servers have animals, some none, same with anime characters or littles
in did you have a whole person who never integrated, and even shattered on the way, there are different parts of that person
each fragment identifies with the legal name, but are different aspect of that person. they can experience amnesia between each other and all the dynamics you would expect between alters.
some of them can evolve their identities, names, genders, maybe age. this is the classic did. rarely you had an animal alter.
then the internet communities started forming, and it became a standard to have identities vastly different to the point very few people in the community say they have an actual shattered self, but more like a group of what you would expect tulpas to be (animals, anime characters etc)
6:20 PM
i think when it comes to did it's really hard to say the distinction between tulpas and alters really because tulpas suffer from the same problems as alters
6:21 PM
and i don't see a benefit from labelling it differently
I guess a tulpa label might make sense if there is an "alter" with no amnesia layer and that is tightly connected to some other in such a way that they can control switching and all that stuff usual tulpamancers do. As for how easy it is to get one of those inside a did system, im unsure and i dont have the knowledge to say.
Leiko
i think when it comes to did it's really hard to say the distinction between tulpas and alters really because tulpas suffer from the same problems as alters
I would say the difference between tulpas and DID is that with DID there is some level of disorder
Whereas tulpamancy usually doesn't result in disordered thinking
At least that's my impression but i could be wrong
In my tulpamancy system all of us identify with the body in some way or another. That said, each of us sees the body in a very different way which is hard to describe.
There is a reason DID was renamed, there is far more to it than just the alters. If you are deciding the difference between tulpas and alters by just the headmates you are already wrong.
if that's what you mean, well, did is an adaptive defence mechanism, so you do have alters that have naturally vastly less manifestation of the disorder
Leiko
sorry kei i meant a tulpa and alter in did system, is that what you meant as well?
if that's what you mean, well, did is an adaptive defence mechanism, so you do have alters that have naturally vastly less manifestation of the disorder
What you describe is each alter identifying the bode as their whole? meaning, would an alter know they are not the original but a fragment in normal circumstances? What might sugest them that they are?
Leiko
some people say alters are created when "you don't want to be the person experiencing the trauma", would that make them a tulpa?
What you describe is each alter identifying the bode as their whole? meaning, would an alter know they are not the original but a fragment in normal circumstances? What might sugest them that they are?
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well all alters together form an "original"!
Well, it slightly bothers me when people say intent is required. It’s a very common misconception.
Leiko
What you describe is each alter identifying the bode as their whole? meaning, would an alter know they are not the original but a fragment in normal circumstances? What might sugest them that they are?
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump
well all alters together form an "original"!
Let me rephrase. What is the reason/ knowledge that makes you say that " all alters together form an original"?
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i personally didn't believe that at all when people were talking about it... i always thought it didn't apply to me.
but i experienced brief episodes of final fusions and that's when i realised what real "me" is, it just makes sense when you experience it
you just see it's all you and it's always been you
Though actually come to think of it
I have a friend who has around 20 'tulpas'? But it created them without fully meaning to — it was mostly their subconscious at work
They don't have disordered thinking, and other than having different identities have none of the symptoms of DID or OSDD
Would those identities qualify as tulpas, in that they are plural identities formed by a non-disordered brain?
so that's why i think people pay too much attention to labels kei, i don't think it matters what they qualify as
Leiko
Let me rephrase. What is the reason/ knowledge that makes you say that " all alters together form an original"?
@Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) - jump
i personally didn't believe that at all when people were talking about it... i always thought it didn't apply to me.
but i experienced brief episodes of final fusions and that's when i realised what real "me" is, it just makes sense when you experience it
you just see it's all you and it's always been you
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